these are all four digit numbers. not one number. two, four -- >> 2, 4, 7, 8. >> you establish this. reach in and take out three or four balls. quick. share them with each other. take them out. share them and show that they are, different, and what are the numbers on. tell them what the numbers are. tell them. just take -- pass one to the person next to you. are they different? two ladies, are they different? >> yes. >> can i ask you folks>> reporter: they different? >> yes. >> drop them in. >> governor mike, there are 60 balls and the parameters when i had them put together any numbers from 1,000 to 9,999 except for one thing. all the numbers in each set of numbers -- we're losing some. sorry. all the numbers had to be different. they had to be different. even in the four digit numbers they're different. take one out, governor mike, if you will. just one. this is 2,453. what is that? >> 4359. >> take one more out.